With
a passion, a Shi'ah activist invited a Christian activist to convert
to Shi'ah (though it is somewhat impossible for them to make da'wah
to adherents of other religions), so the following dialogue took
place:
Shi'ah : You Christians claim that Christ (Al-Masih) was crucified in order to atone the inherited sin caused by Prophet Adam's eating of the forbidden fruit, causing the humans to be expelled from Paradise. Whereas Allah Ta'ala has said:
"No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another..." (Al An'aam 164)
Christian : Don't you know that you are worse than us, you are torturing yourselves by beating your own bodies and your children's bodies with chains and knives, until the blood gush out, a really frightening and disgusting scene. You do that to make amends of your error in the past, you who had humiliated Husein, instead of defending him... So, what's the difference?
Shi'ah : But you are too ghuluw (extreme), you regard Jesus Christ (Al-Masih) as the son of God and one of the three gods (Trinity)!
Christian : Are you not like that too? You are ghuluw towards Husein, and other Ahlul Bait Imams, you guys claim that before the world was created they were in the form of light, they also knew about all that have happened, are happening and will happen. You claim that they knew when they would die and that they died in accordance with their own wish! Muhammad bin Yahya had narrated from Salamah bin al-Khattabdari, Sulaiman bin Sama'a and 'Abdullah bin Muhammad from Abdullah bin al-Qasimal-Batal, from Abu Basir, from Abu' Abdallah (alaihissalaam) who said the following. "Whoever from among the Imams does not know what would happen to him and (does not know) what events would happen to him next, that person is not (a true imam) the right owner of the divine authority over His creations." [AlKafi by Al-Kulayni, Vol. 4, Chapter (47) The Imams (alaihissalaam) know when they would die and they die voluntarily, pg. 671]
Shi'ah : You Christians claim that Christ (Al-Masih) was crucified in order to atone the inherited sin caused by Prophet Adam's eating of the forbidden fruit, causing the humans to be expelled from Paradise. Whereas Allah Ta'ala has said:
"No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another..." (Al An'aam 164)
Christian : Don't you know that you are worse than us, you are torturing yourselves by beating your own bodies and your children's bodies with chains and knives, until the blood gush out, a really frightening and disgusting scene. You do that to make amends of your error in the past, you who had humiliated Husein, instead of defending him... So, what's the difference?
Shi'ah : But you are too ghuluw (extreme), you regard Jesus Christ (Al-Masih) as the son of God and one of the three gods (Trinity)!
Christian : Are you not like that too? You are ghuluw towards Husein, and other Ahlul Bait Imams, you guys claim that before the world was created they were in the form of light, they also knew about all that have happened, are happening and will happen. You claim that they knew when they would die and that they died in accordance with their own wish! Muhammad bin Yahya had narrated from Salamah bin al-Khattabdari, Sulaiman bin Sama'a and 'Abdullah bin Muhammad from Abdullah bin al-Qasimal-Batal, from Abu Basir, from Abu' Abdallah (alaihissalaam) who said the following. "Whoever from among the Imams does not know what would happen to him and (does not know) what events would happen to him next, that person is not (a true imam) the right owner of the divine authority over His creations." [AlKafi by Al-Kulayni, Vol. 4, Chapter (47) The Imams (alaihissalaam) know when they would die and they die voluntarily, pg. 671]
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Shi'ah : What's important is that, I recommend you not to worship Al-Masih (The Messiah), do not name your children with Abdul Masih (servant of Christ ), because Christ (Al-Masih) himself is a servant of Allah.
Christian : Whaat??.. Don't be pretentious, don't you also claim that Ali said: I am the face of Allah, I am besides Allah, I am the first and the last, you also call your children Abdul Hasan and Abdul Husein, whereas they are also the slaves of Allah. See the book entitled “Abu Hurayra” by Abdul Hussein Syarafiddin. http://www.al-islam.org/abu-hurayra/
Shi'ah : What's important is that, I recommend you not to worship Al-Masih (The Messiah), do not name your children with Abdul Masih (servant of Christ ), because Christ (Al-Masih) himself is a servant of Allah.
Christian : Whaat??.. Don't be pretentious, don't you also claim that Ali said: I am the face of Allah, I am besides Allah, I am the first and the last, you also call your children Abdul Hasan and Abdul Husein, whereas they are also the slaves of Allah. See the book entitled “Abu Hurayra” by Abdul Hussein Syarafiddin. http://www.al-islam.org/abu-hurayra/
This
book written by the ulama' of Shi'ah contains insult and
fitnah against the Sahabah of the Prophet, Abu Hurairah
Rhadhiallahuanhu. Read “stripping the taqiyah of Abdul
Hussein Syarafiddin” series at Hakekat.Com: http://hakekat.com/content/view/76/1/
Shi'ah
: But you hope and beg from Christ (Al-Masih) and you do not beg
from Allah, you make do'a to them, and you exalt your bishops
and priests.
Christian
: Ehh... don't you guys also beg to other than Allah, you invoke: Yaa
Ali.. ! Yaa Husein.., I don't know when you guys ask from your
God. You make tawaf at the graves of the imams and
invoke them, you claim: whoever visits the tomb of Husein on the
day of Arafah, then he gets a reward of a million times of Hajj with
al-Qa'im. You also claim that the tomb of Ali is always being
visited by God, along with the Angels, so do the prophets!!
Shi'ah
: You are overly exaggerating with regards to Christ (Al-Masih),
so much so that you people worship him.
Christian
: Likewise, you are overly exaggerating with regards to Husein and
the other imams, you raise them exceeding the degree of the prophets,
and they are in a position that cannot be reached by anyone, not by
the Angels, nor the Apostles. They are ma'sum from
forgetfulness and sin, they know all that is in the heavens and on
the Earth. So, our Christ (Al-Masih) is just the same as your
Al-Husein! "Verily, among the things
that are most essential in our madzhab is that, our imams have a
position which is reached neither by the angels nor by any
commisioned messenger of God .... it has been narrated from them
'alaihimus salam (Shi'ah imams)" "For
us are certain states with Allah that cannot be achieved by the
angels are who are brought near, nor by the prophets who are sent".
[al-Hukumah al-Islamiyah (Islamic Government ) by Ruhullah Imam
Khomeini, Section 3: The Form of Islamic Government, hal.52]
Shi'ah
: But you exceed the bound, by believing that by loving Christ
(Al-Masih) and having faith in him alone, is enough to save you from
hell.
Christian
: So are you, just by loving the Ahlul Bait, it is enough as a
kaffarat and salvation. Sins will not harm anyone who love the
Ahlul Bait. You also say: Loving the Ahlul Bait will shed all
sins, just as the foliage are shed from the tree. Loving Ali is a
virtue, which is not affected by any sin whatsoever!
Shi'ah
(with anger): But, your book have been changed, added and
subtracted!
Christian
: Well.., you Shi'ah claim that your Al-Qur'an has been changed,
the Sahabahs of the Prophet had added and subtracted. The original
text is only with Imam Mahdi who is hiding in Sirdab since he was
five years old, with that, according to you all Muslims are astray
since 1400 years ago!
Christian : I
think this is not the Islam embraced by the majority of mankind,
big-small, old-young, men-women from my people (European Muallaf).
Because there is no specialty in your religion (Shi'ah).. the
contradictions in your religion are more than in our religion. Is
there any other sect that you can offer?!?
IS
THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO RELIGIONS?
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